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Interview with Dr Polya


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About Dr Gideon Polya

Gideon Polya was born in Melbourne, but moved to Tasmania as a young boy. His primary education was at Friends School and Lenah Valley state school in Hobart. Secondary schools were Hobart State High and St. Virgil's in Hobart. (Gideon says that Errol Flynn also attended these high schools, but not at the same time as himself!)

In his final year at school Gideon studied English, Pure and Applied Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, History and French.

At University, Gideon obtained a BSc (Hon) from the University of Tasmania, majoring in Zoology and Chemistry, with first class honors in Chemistry. Gideon's PhD is in Biochemistry from Flinders University in Adelaide.

Since finishing his PhD, Gideon has worked in the following places: Gideon,s office?


Gideon is married to Zareena. They have two sons, aged 22 and 25, and a 14 year old daughter.

In his spare time Gideon enjoys music, literature, bushwalking and especially painting. He paints landscapes and figurative abstractions in oil, acrylic and water colour; Gideon says that he has painted hundreds of paintings and drawn thousands of portraits.

(Author's note: Gideon is the closest to the image of a 'zany scientist' of any of the Biochemistry senior staff. He's an interesting person who loves a chat about almost any topic - but Jane Austen and historical politics are special favourites.)

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The Interview with Dr Polya

The topic Dr Polya chose to discuss was:

 

The use of genetic engineering to develop pathogen resistant crop plants.

Interviewer: What is the main purpose of your research or the genetic technique you use?

Dr Polya: We are investigating plant defense proteins, specifically antifungal and anti-insect proteins. We want to isolate such proteins, determine their structure and biological actions and specificity. With information about the proteins' structures we can locate their genes and insert these defensive genes into crop plants. We are hoping that we can put several genes which work synergistically into particular major crop plants such as oil seed plants to give better defended transgenic plants.

Interviewer: Can you describe briefly how you are doing whatever you do?

Dr Polya: Once we have isolated a protein with useful biological properties we determine its primary structure and construct a probe to use in the isolation of its gene. When we have the gene we can insert that into a vector which will deliver the gene to a crop plant. We need to use techniques of protein chemistry in working with the proteins, genetic biotechnology in working with the genes and mycology (the study of fungi), entomology (the study of insects), plant physiology and biochemistry in investigating the activity of these gene products.

Interviewer: Who or what (animal or plant) will benefit from your research/techniques?

Dr Polya: The people who depend on the crop plants we are trying to improve will benefit. This includes farmers in developed countries as well as the people in the developing world who would benefit if better strains of their food plants became available.

Interviewer: What are the economic implications of your applied genetics? (How expensive is it to do? What will be/are the cost benefits of the outcome?)

Dr Polya: The research to the stage of characterising the proteins and their genes will cost up to $ half a million in the laboratory. The development of transgenic plants, including field trials and the like, will cost another $ 2-5 million.

On the other hand, particular crops with better yields, both in quantity and quality, could be estimated to be worth more than $100 million per annum.

So whilst the development of a project such as this is expensive, the benefits, both social and financial, are potentially huge.

Interviewer: Historically, what is the scientific background to the research you are now doing?Gideon at work

Dr Polya: Early studies of plant proteins, especially seed proteins, revealed that some of them had antifungal or anti-insect properties. The mechanism of antifungal action is mostly unknown as yet.

With the development of the new genetic engineering technology it became possible to try to put the genes for these proteins into crop plants. The goal is to make transgenic crop plants which express the protective proteins not only in seeds, but in other plant tissue as well. If several defensive proteins can be produced in the host plants we will have developed superior plants with multiple defenses.

Interviewer: For a Year 12 Biology student to understand what you are doing, some background knowledge of biological concepts will be needed. Can you tell me what biology is relevant to what you are doing, and why?

Dr Polya: In discussing this work there are many concepts of molecular biology which need to be understood.

The relationships between DNA structure, the transcription of the genes to give mRNA, and the translation of the mRNA code in protein synthesis are all fundamental to this work.

In addition to that, an understanding of the relationship between a protein's primary structure and its final 3-dimensional shape are needed to define 'how' a defensive protein may act and the biochemical targets it is likely to act upon.

Students also need to know about the enzymes used in the work we do:


In all work such as this, there is also a need to have a view of the 'bigger picture'. Not only do we want to know how these antifungal and anti-insect proteins function at the molecular level, but we also need to keep in mind the effects on the whole organism. Similarly it is important to consider the problems associated with inserting these genes, and having them expressed, in plant tissue which would not normally do this. So the total biology of the plant and of the organisms, fungi and insects, we are trying to kill or inhibit is something we need to understand.

Interviewer: I now need to know something of the techniques used in your research. Can you tell me what techniques are important, and why they are important?

Dr Polya: Let's start with a flow chart which sets out the steps in order.

protein molecule
Isolate the protein suspected of having activity of interest.
Investigate the protein to determine:

aa sequence
Determine primary sequence
of the protein.
(Chemical methods used)

oligonucleotide
Construct oligonucleotide probes

lots of genes
Use oligonucleotide primer and PCR to
isolate and amplify the gene of interest.

plasmid
Use restriction enzymes and DNA ligase to insert
the gene (coloured red) into a plasmid
which also carries a marker gene (coloured blue) for antibiotic resistance.

inserting plasmid
Use a "DNA gun" to insert the plasmid
into a plant cell

plant
Grow up the plant
Test it for
gideon's field
Field trials of resistant transgenic plants.

The first steps in this process use techniques of protein chemistry and plant, insect and fungal biochemistry in determining the structure and function of the useful proteins.
Roland
[At right: Dr Roland Chung, a Postdoctoral Research Fellow in Gideon's lab, seems happy to have so many tubes of protein to examine!]

Once we know the primary structure, or amino acid sequence of the protein we are able to construct a complementary DNA sequence to it. This oligonucleotide can be used as a gene probe That is, it can be used to 'search for' the corresponding DNA base sequence in the DNA of the plant. Once the gene is located, PCR can be used to make multiple copies of it.

We use the probe, and the PCR reaction to isolate and amplify the DNA we are interested in.

Then, using DNA sequencing, we confirm that the gene and the protein we started with, do match up. The nucleotide sequence in the DNA should correspond to the amino acid sequence in the protein, noting, however, that this is not always precisely true. The protein may have been "processed", through the deletion of pieces at either end. Mass spectrometry can very precisely tell us the mass of the protein and we can thus determine what bits are missing.

The gene is then spliced into the DNA of a plasmid vector, using restriction enzymes to create sticky ends on the cut pieces of DNA and the enzyme DNA ligase to reconnect those sticky ends as we need.

The vector, which carries an antibiotic resistance gene to enable selection of a properly engineered plasmid callus tissue. The plant callus is a small plug of tissue growing on agar which can ultimately yield a mature plant. There are various ways of inserting the plasmid into the callus this, but we can use particle bombardment using a DNA gun.

The transgenic plants are grown up and tested for gene expression - do they produce the protein we are hoping for? The plants are also tested for biological activity, for example, is the protein active in retarding fungal growth or insect attack?

The final stages in the process, the field trials, are not done by us. By this stage, the development of the plants is done by the agricultural companies who have the facilities for such work.

Interviewer: What do you see as the major biological implications of the work you are doing? For example; are genotypes or phenotypes being altered?, is a species survival potential increased?, will someone or something have a better quality of life?

Dr Polya: Research such as this, aiming to develop more productive crop plants, is designed to benefit the people who rely on those crops.

These benefits can be at many levels. If the crops are used for food, especially in the world's poor nations, where poverty and large populations can be found, then better food crops should help feed the people. In more wealthy nations, the farmers may benefit from higher yields, and the consumers may benefit from higher quality products.

By introducing new genes into species of crop plants, there is certainly a change in genotype and phenotype of those plants - that is exactly what we set out to do. Whether that will have an effect on the survival of the species is hard to say. Humans have been selectively breeding plants for particular characteristics for many years, and it is true that some crop species are now very different from their wild ancestors. Does this represent an increased survival of the cultivars, or a decreased survival of the wild species? It's probably a little of both.

Interviewer: There is often discussion or debate about issues associated with biotechnology. What is one such issue relating to your work? Can you outline the arguments of the opposing sides of the debate please?

Dr Polya: There is some debate about whether or not genetically engineered food products should be produced at all. The arguments concerning this range from theological, to economic, social and biological. Here's a summary of some of these arguments:

 

Question Arguments for Arguments against
Is alteration of an organism's genotype 'playing God'? Yes, where unnatural constructs are produced with unforeseen potentialities. No, mutation and recombination occur anyway, so this is merely directing natural events.
Is it appropriate for companies to patent transgenic plants and profit from them? Yes, the companies invest millions in development of the product, they have a right to get a reasonable return on that money. They can use some of the profit to develop more products. No, not where the companies' control of a product is socially discriminatory, harmful, exploitative or in violation of indigenous rights.
Are genetically engineered foods 'safe'? Yes, gene products are proteins which are digested by humans. Genes cannot 'jump' between plant and animal species. No, 'safe' is a relative term. Is breathing urban air 'safe'? There is always a small possibility of unforeseen consequences.
Should genetically engineered food products be labelled? Yes, people should have the ability to make a choice. No, there is so much misinformation and disinformation in the community that people will be caused to panic and food which is potentially healthier for us will not be accepted.

Mery and Vino
Mery and Vino, students in Gideon's group, discuss the issues above ...
or are they deciding where to go for lunch?
Interviewer: Can you suggest some reading material relevant to anything we have discussed about your work, its implications and issues associated with it?

Dr Polya: Students should be able to find information relevant to this topic in publications such as New Scientist and Scientific American, which both have Internet sites as well as the printed magazines. The Age has a CD ROM of the last 5 years of the newspaper, where issues associated with genetically engineered plants are discussed periodically. And a search of The Internet would undoubtedly find many articles at a variety of levels, about this topic. Interviewer: Thank you for your time.

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Further information relevant to Dr Polya's work

You can read more about the work of Dr Polya, and the people in his lab, by clicking here. You will see pictures of Dr Polya, and his lab staff at the same location.

For ideas on where you might find additional resource material, look again at the section Resources on another page at this site. And don't forget the power of the Internet to provide you with information. A well thought out search, using a search engine such as Alta Vista, should provide more information than you can possibly use!

Please do not phone Dr Polya for further information for your CAT. He, like the rest of the staff in Biochemistry, is a busy person. However, if you think we can help you some more, use either the comment form or the email address for this site and we will do what we can.

If you would like to read another interview with a La Trobe Biochemistry scientist, you can click here to go back to the Interview Index.

If you would like to 'netsurf' for some more resources, you might find the author's favourite Biology Bookmarks helpful.

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